Hickenlooper Asked to Block Wide-Ranging Mag Ban Proposal

March 16, 2013
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GOING TOO FAR? Some say HB1224 could result in a ban on almost all firearm magazines (Photo by Li Tsin Soon)

DENVER – As a proposed ban on firearm magazines approved last week by the legislature inched closer to becoming law, Magpul Industries Corp. sent a detailed letter to Governor Hickenlooper asking him to veto the bill.

The proposed ban, House Bill 1224, would bar the sale or transfer of magazines capable of holding more than 15 rounds of ammunition as well as those which hold fewer rounds, but are “designed to be readily converted” to hold more than 15.

Concern has erupted in recent weeks over the “readily converted” language, which some say covers almost any removable firearm magazine, and could result in an outright ban on some firearms with internal magazines.

“The bill defines restricted magazines as any that that are ‘designed to be readily converted’ to accept more than fifteen rounds,” wrote Magpul’s attorney Jonathan Anderson, a partner at the law firm of Holland & Hart, in the letter to Hickenlooper.  “The simple fact is that virtually every magazine on the market has an open floor plate, and that design makes every magazine readily convertible.”

Magpul’s letter comes on the heels of investigative reports by 9News’ Kyle Clark and CBS4’s Shaun Boyd raising serious questions about the proposal’s scope.

The Independence Institute’s Jon Caldara also drew attention to concerns about the bill on Wednesday, releasing a one-minute video in which the think tank president demonstrates how easily the capacity of a standard 15-round magazine can be increased using an extender.

Anderson’s letter on behalf of Magpul suggests that the bill would have far-reaching consequences that could actually make several firearm models with internal magazines illegal.

“[The bill] makes it illegal to purchase, inherit, or even possess existing firearms that have an internal ammunition source over 15 rounds other than .22 caliber or lever action firearms. This includes several popular firearm models, such as the Taurus 45 bolt action rifle … and the SKS line of rifles,” Anderson wrote. “If HB 1224 is signed into law, individuals who possess this type of firearm after July 1, 2013 would be guilty of a criminal offense.”

The letter also notes the legislation contains no allowances for historic guns, or those which may be family heirlooms.

“Unlike similar laws in other states, HB 1224 does not contain an antique or vintage firearm exemption, so all firearms of this type are prohibited,” the analysis continues.  “This means that a Colorado citizen cannot even pass this type of weapon down to his son or daughter, even if it is an antique or vintage firearm.”

Hickenlooper indicated in late February that he would sign HB 1224, but some gun rights backers are hoping that recent uproar over the bill’s unintended consequences will give the governor reason to reconsider.

Magpul Dynamics director Duane Liptak Jr. reiterated calls for Hickenlooper to reject the bill during a Friday appearance on KOA-AM’s “The Mike Rosen Show.”

“We just want to get the word out for everybody in Colorado to continue to contact Gov. Hickenlooper, be civil in your commentary, but urge him to veto HB 1224 and everything else that may be in front of him to keep Colorado free and maintain the individual rights of Coloradans,” Liptak said.

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68 Responses to Hickenlooper Asked to Block Wide-Ranging Mag Ban Proposal

  1. David
    March 16, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    Did it occur to anyone that this law is unconstitutional under the 2nd Amendment and that will will be appealed all the way to the Supreme Court? DOH…However, we welcome Magpul to Texas…LOL

    • Jackson
      March 16, 2013 at 9:39 pm

      Yes, but we shouldn’t grant the final authority to the Supreme Court. The reason is very loosely along these lines:

      1. The Federal Government is made up 3 branches: Executive, Legislative, and Judicial. However, these three branches are still part of a whole.

      2. The Constitution was written to limit the powers of the Federal Government. It is only during the past century that we have seen this change both thru Executive/Legislative overstep and Judicial reinterpretation. Example being the 1897 Allgeyer v. Louisiana and the 1937 West Coast Hotel v. Parrish decisions.

      3. If you make a contract with a plumber to fix your sink you wouldn’t say he is the only one who can interpret the contract because he would interpret it to his benefit.

      I’m simplifying it a bit but asking the Supreme Court to limit itself is unfortunately asking to much. It’s great for settling disputes between states and other such cases but it has its limits just like anything else.

      • Cal
        March 18, 2013 at 9:41 pm

        The Constitution also limits the state governments. Even moreso starting with the adoption of the 14th Amendment.

        BTW, the West Coast Hotel Co. v. Parrish was 100% correct.

    • Chris
      March 16, 2013 at 9:55 pm

      Of course it did. In order for the law to be overturned, we need a sacrificial lamb who is willing to be arrested, lose his job, lose a great deal of his wealth (in lawyer’s fees) and potentially face time in state prison. This is what is required for a person to have “standing” in a court in order to overturn the law. Any volunteers? FYI, Magpul is about 1.5 hours from the Wyoming border and very unlikely to move to Texas.

      • March 16, 2013 at 11:23 pm

        That’s not true, Chris. Any person who would be effected by the law may file suit against the government without the need to have been arrested. If you own one of the weapons effected, you may file suit to have the decision reviewed for an appeal. On top of that, you have other groups like the NRA and Gun Owners of America who could lend support to constitutional challenges, often by providing lawyers, donations and even total support. All you need is someone to file that suit.

    • Jason
      March 17, 2013 at 8:50 am

      Texas is a great place no doubt but we like welcome Magpul it’s new home with no humidity in Arizona.

      • Orwell
        March 17, 2013 at 4:24 pm

        TX is no doubt home to many great freedom loving folks, but this “Texas is the BEST!” attitude has really been annoying the past few months.

        I’d rather see Texans have a more modest and level-headed approach while realizing that even THEIR state needs to be vigilant in the defense of liberty. I hope you guys guard against a move to a blue state unlike Coloradans did, because it CAN happen to your state, too! You have very large urban areas which can control the rest of the state and you have a major illegal immigrant issue (which sadly of course most of them are tricked into voting for Democrats).

        • Can O'Korn
          March 18, 2013 at 9:09 am

          LOL!!!
          You still think Dems and Repubs are two different parties!
          Hahahahahahahah!

    • RC
      March 17, 2013 at 8:51 pm

      Yes… However if you are complacent, enough, and do not voice your position… This is when we give them the opportunity to take away our rights.. Why leave it in the balance of the courts, they could still allow this to pass… If your right, your freedom, meaningless? Mine isn’t!

  2. charles
    March 16, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    I hope he shows Coloradans that he will stand up and do what is right,a lot of people are watching closely.

    • Steve
      March 17, 2013 at 10:44 pm

      Absolutely, Obama, Biden and Bloomberg are all watching intently. I wonder what carrot on a stick they’ve offered Hickenlooper to get him to toe the line

  3. Chris
    March 16, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    Is everyone looking past the simple fact that NONE of these bills will stop shootings!!! When will our governor start holding PEOPLE accountable for their actions?!!!!!

    • Jeremiah
      March 17, 2013 at 12:11 am

      You hit the nail on the F#%$ing head Chris. It cannot be said any better.

    • Billie
      March 17, 2013 at 12:53 pm

      Since criminals don’t pay any attention to laws in the first place, the only ones who WILL be affected are the law-abiding citizens. Isn’t the what “law-abiding” means? Would be nice is the libs would pull their heads out into the light and use a little common sense for a change!

    • Mudder
      March 17, 2013 at 2:25 pm

      >When will our governor start holding PEOPLE accountable
      Umm…never? Since when have facts ever interfered with agenda?

    • Alan
      March 18, 2013 at 5:58 am

      Not the politicians! They aren’t looking past all the money pouring in from Bloomberg! They don’t care about voters.

  4. bestimmt
    March 16, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    If this guy wants to have any sort of political future in CO, he will veto this bill. This overreaching by the State’s Dems is a gift to Republicans. This is going to set the Dems back 10 years in CO.

    • Bob
      March 17, 2013 at 4:27 pm

      Hick already has his marching orders from Obama, Bloomberg and George Soros, he will sign no matter what Coloradans want.

  5. Tim Reeves
    March 16, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    This is a complete over reach! But Hic will comply! I’m very disgusted. Hic… Don’t do it.. you’ll lose either way.. Stick with the US Constitution.. And THIS WILL BE CHALLENGED! You’re a one term governor either way.

    • Mikael
      March 17, 2013 at 9:46 am

      Tim,
      you are so right, he has proven he is unworthy to be in office. A one term Governor. As far as I am concerned, as well as many people I know, his entire political career is done. If there was a way to get him out now, I’m for it.

      • daisy
        March 19, 2013 at 12:29 am

        Time to clean up the house and sweep the dirt and dust outside. Hope everybody remembers to vote them out next time on election. God bless us all.

    • Mudder
      March 17, 2013 at 2:32 pm

      If all of these bills don’t get vetoed it will be because those recent visits by Kelly, Giffords, & Biden included promises of support sufficient in magnitude to overcome any worries about career consequence. The Dems aren’t deaf. As Morse told us, we are being ignored.

  6. Betty Belcher
    March 16, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    I am moving out of commirado, so do what you want. We make a pretty decent amount of money, but choose not to make it in this state. Magpul is a good and decent company, and I respect thier choice to leave as well.

    • Bob
      March 17, 2013 at 4:28 pm

      We are too close to retirement; but when the time comes we will take our Colorado retirements and move to Wyoming.

  7. Tillman Turley
    March 16, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    It has been an absolute POUNDING for Hickenlooper the last 3 days. Between his facebook having litterally 10,000′s of posts asking him to VETO ALL this terrible legislation with nary a message asking him to sign these bills. It has show the “transparency” and SHAM perpetrated on Colorado by the Denver Post and theyre hacked Polls. HB 1224 is not the only terrible piece of legislation being considered. All 7 pieces of legislation have been terribly crafted and have been condemned by Colorados County Sheriffs….. 3 recalls of the Legislators driving these Anti 2nd Amendment bills have been started and should Governor Hickenlooper not come to his senses and stop this insanity. His name will get added to the list…..

  8. Chris R.
    March 16, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    I will not move, I wont back down. We will take this and have it killed in the supreme court and we will take our state back! The constituency has to see now how poisonous our democrat senators are, they are corrupt, they have been infiltrated. VOTE THEM OUT!! and if Gov. Hickenlooper wants a pink slip he better reject these bills on the premise of how poorly they are written!

    • Chris R.
      March 17, 2013 at 3:29 am

      Correction; “and unless Gov. Hickenlooper wants a pink slip he better reject these bills on the premise of how poorly they are written!”

      • Billie
        March 17, 2013 at 1:01 pm

        Chris, I knew what you meant. I hope Colorado Springs is able to stick with home rule and keep the People’s Republic of Denver out of OUR business! Maybe we should fence off Denver and make all the libs stay up there so the rest of us can enjoy our freedom! Bet it would be a lot safer to live here than up there! Take a look at DC and Chicago with their strict gun laws. Not the safest places to even visit, let alone live there!

  9. Carla Duval Dick
    March 16, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    I would like to encourage you to veto the Bill.

    Thank you.

    • Bob
      March 17, 2013 at 4:30 pm

      He is already on the record saying he does not fear the anti-gun bills will hurt his reelection….. We’ll see!

  10. Loyde Neal
    March 16, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    I backed Hickenlooper as did my family, I feel betrayed by the Democrats and Hickenlooper. I do not support it, and will not support any member of the House that voted for it. I should of known that when I shook Hickenloopers hand at one of the Rally’s that he would disappoint. (he had a weak limp hand shake–Never trust a man who shakes like a little girl). I would hate to see Magpul leave our state, but I wouldn’t blame them. Leave my guns alone

  11. Jackson
    March 16, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    Where is the argument about the purpose of the law? The dangers of legislated opinion? Is legalized theft still theft? If the majority of people decide that it should be illegal for whites to marry blacks is it a just law? Should it be enforced? Should a jury convict a couple for breaking such a law? Why?

    These are better questions to ask and answer than the logistical ones. Yes, its logistically impossible to enforce. Yes, it won’t stop any future shootings. Yes, it’s unlikely to limit the death toll because a little bit of practice can make up for having to do a mag change. All true but they all miss the larger point. Supporters of these bans have expressed a willingness to use violent force against anyone who has a different opinion through the legislative process. Its a hijacking of the law to serve ones own purpose. It’s a danger that has been written on extensively, namely by Frederic Bastiat in his essay “The Law”.

  12. scott
    March 16, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    words of wisdom from Bill Clinton to Gov Hick!!!!!

    In 1994, the GOP won an historic landslide and swept the Democrats in Congress from power. The victory was due, in large part, to a recent assault weapons ban that had been enacted. No doubt with this in mind, former President Bill Clinton last night warned top Democrat donors not to be dismissive of those who believe in gun rights.

    “Do not patronize the passionate supporters of your opponents by looking down your nose at them,” Clinton said.

    “A lot of these people live in a world very different from the world lived in by the people proposing these things,” Clinton said. “I know because I come from this world.”

    Speaking to members of Obama’s National Finance Committee, Clinton added that he has had “many sleepless nights” after Democrats were swept from power as a result of the vote to ban assault weapons. In addition to the GOP sweep in 1994, Clinton also recalled how Al Gore had lost the Presidency in 2000 because of his anti-gun views.

    He also cautioned them not to be misled by polls showing slim majorities in support of certain gun control provisions. Supporters of gun rights vote on that single issue. For gun control supporters, however, it is one of a range of issues on which they base their vote.

    “All these polls that you see saying the public is for us on all these issues — they are meaningless if they’re not voting issues,” Clinton said.

    Clinton closed his remarks with a warning that many Democrat lawmakers will lose their job if they support the current gun control proposals.

    “Do not be self-congratulatory about how brave you for being for this” gun control push, he said. “The only brave people are the people who are going to lose their jobs if they vote with you.”

    The current Democrat party, however, is no longer Clinton’s party

    • Bob
      March 17, 2013 at 4:34 pm

      Attributed to Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto “I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.

      Hey Hicky; the giant is coming for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  13. March 16, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    I am sure, even if Governor Hickenlooper signs this bill, it will end up in the supreme court of the United States. These democrats think they have the upper hand. However, this is why we have our system of checks and balances. I am an avid gun supporter and will be watching this closely.

    • Billie
      March 17, 2013 at 1:05 pm

      Just one more reason to get to work on the recall effort against John Morse. He is too narrow-minded and self-serving to represent us…..

  14. wrongheifer
    March 16, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    Dear Governor Hickenlooper,

    Don’t sign these unconstitutional bills into law. They are ineffective and will not solve our problems with mass shooters. Please scrap these gun laws and send the lawmakers back to the drawing board to create social and mental health solutions as well as extreme penalties to accompany existing sentences for those using guns in the commission of crimes.

  15. Sue Bosier
    March 16, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    Governor,

    Please veto HB 1224. I need a weapon to use from my wheelchair. This is the only way I have to defend myself. Nearly all of my constitutents, especially the women, agree. Thanks. Sue

    Centennial Council Woman
    District 2

  16. Alan
    March 16, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    I am a constitutional lawyer and don’t have a strong passion for guns but I read the bill after reading this article and it is absolutley correct. The bill explicitly bans all firearms that can carry +15 rounds. The “grandfather” exemption only applies to “magazines.” While the intent of the bill may be to just restrict magazines but the law will ban these firearms-plain and simple.

  17. Jeff Johnson
    March 16, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    Veto this extreem infringement of our 2nd Amendment rights! If you don’t, you’ll prove to the world, and YES WE ARE WATCHING ALL ACROSS AMERICA, that you are incapable of making the right choices on behalf of your constituency. Use your brain. I find it immoral that you were a part of a poll that was fixed, and that you would be a part of this fallacy to make the readers of a newspaper poll that you had a close decision! Just how much money did mayor Bloomberg give you to sell out the people of this fine state?

    • Billie
      March 17, 2013 at 1:07 pm

      Bloomberg can jolly well stay in New York. We don’t need him nor do we want him here!

  18. Chad Miller
    March 17, 2013 at 12:23 am

    I am against all of the bills purposed, but I do somewhat believe in the one about domestic violence offenders. The only issue there is that almost every domestic violence offender is already restricted from owning guns either by criminal history or restraining order, yet they still do own them and there is the issue. But has anyone else noticed that the bill on requiring background checks essentially pushes people to the so called “assualt rifles’ that everyone is against. Look at it if my bolt action rifle breaks and I have to take it to a gunsmith then I have to pay for a background check for him to take it and for him to give it back whne done. Now there is no set price for the background check but lets take the $75.00 my county charges to do a background for a concelled carry permit. That right there is $150.00 plus price to repair it. So wouldn’t be easier for me to buy a rifle (AR type) that I can order parts and fix myself without completing two background checks and spending that money. Then on top of that our democrats are pushing Magpul out of the state which is a loss of jobs out the Boulder area. So where is the consideration for our struggling economy from our lawmakers who are more concerned about feel good measures that do not address the real problem.

    • Billie
      March 17, 2013 at 1:12 pm

      I agree that anyone convicted of domestic violence should be better controlled. However, guns aren’t the weapons they most often use. Guess we need to remove ALL sharp objects (knives, scissors, letter-openers, etc). Oh, and don’t forget to cut off their hands – they are quite handy with using their fists! A big problem is that their victims don’t always press charges! They are too afraid of the abusers and all too often are convinced that they actually deserve the abuse. I feel so bad for them – they truly feel trapped!

    • SPQR
      March 17, 2013 at 9:29 pm

      That bill just makes illegal conduct … err … more illegal.

    • Steve
      March 17, 2013 at 10:56 pm

      The problem with the “domestic violence” bill is that it reads as anyone who is “accused” of domestic violence. Not anyone who is “convicted”. Big difference.

  19. The Bear
    March 17, 2013 at 2:08 am

    I wonder why these people think that limiting mag size will make anything safer. It makes no sense.

    Heck, an AR15, and similar semi-automatic rifles, is perfectly legal in Austria. Austria also has an ever increasing number of permits and right now the country is close to having one third of the population armed. That’s right. A bit over 8 million inhabitants share almost 3 million legal handguns in little Austria. And the number is rising. People buy them for, yes, self defense. Because the politicians kowtow to the EU, which opened the borders for everyone (primarily criminals) and have left the police woefully understaffed. With the Schengen Treaty the crime rate in Austria went through the roof, especially in regards to theft and burglary. So people started to arm themselves and there are plenty of such armed self-defense cases in Austria every year.

    Not to mention that Austria has a large population of hunters, gun enthusiasts in general and the vast majority of male Austrians is trained in operating a real assault rifle, thanks to military conscription. In fact the semi-automatic version of the STG77, aka the Steyr AUG, is very popular among enthusiasts, and, as I said, perfectly legal. It’s a category B weapon under Austrian law, meaning you require a permit to own it (which is easy enough to get, really.)

    There are strict laws in regards to storage of gun and ammunition, but that’s it. There’s no limit on magazine sizes and no talk about an “assault weapons” ban, because, well, the Austrian gun law is based around how a weapon works rather than how it looks like. An actual assault rifle, you know with automatic and/or select fire, is illegal since it’s military grade, so are hand grenades and RPGs.

    The EUSSR, of course, wants to introduce new gun laws, which would require gun owners to even register their ammunition, but that’s the EUSSR for you.

    Strangely the legal firearm is the least used tool for violent crime in Austria and is primarily used for suicides and murder-suicides. Though, even if someone has no gun that won’t stop him. A few years ago a father wiped out his family with an axe, which he bought legally and without background check in a hardware store. Another guy built himself a flamethrower and used it to murder his parents. Flamethrowers are illegal.

    So why do these politicians in the US think that banning “assault weapons” or limiting mag sizes will change anything? If I want to kill people, I will kill people. Limited mag size or an “assault weapon” ban won’t stop me from doing so and a “gun free” zone will just mean one thing to me: a lot of targets that can’t defend themselves. There’s a reason such spree killings happen in gun free zones rather than at shooting ranges or police stations.

    And even if they ban all guns nothing will change. The criminal will always have one. In Europe an actual AK47, you know the real assault rifle, goes for roughly 300 Euro on the black market.

  20. eddie
    March 17, 2013 at 3:26 am

    Personally I hope he does sign it for two reasons: 1st being it will give not only the democrats a huge black eye in reference to the 2nd therefore causing them to loose in the next election cycle….and it will show this country how the democrats really feel about the Bill of Rights

  21. Tim Allen
    March 17, 2013 at 8:49 am

    Anyone who opposes these attacks on the Second Amendment should refuse to do business with any company based in Colorado. In my opinion this would include visiting the state for any reason (especially hunting), skiing, tourism or even a layover at the airport. I wouldn’t even stop in Colorado to fill up my gas tank. BOYCOTT THE STATE OF COLORADO !!!

    • Billie
      March 17, 2013 at 1:19 pm

      By boycotting Colorado you will punish those of us who are fighting these nitwits to try and retain our 2nd Amendment rights. We are doing what we can to get them out of office. A recall effort is starting today……

  22. chris anderson
    March 17, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Is magpul the only company with enough balls to fight this? growing up as a utahn i always pictured colorado being more gun friendly, i was astonished by the quickness everyone there (and here) jumped on the bandwagon. I thought these western states would be the last to give in to the media and government pressures. i live in a rural area where 8 out of ten houses have guns and most of those have at least 3 and half of those have 6-12 or more that could arm the ones without guns easily.
    guns are commonplace, children here are taught from very very young about them. target shooting is one of the most popular “family” activities here, when target shooting high capacity mags are very useful. who wants to spend more time reloading than shooting? that is a very real and true benefit of hi-cap mags. and magpul offers strong lightweight mags that feed reliably. why would anyone want to deny others of this i dont get. use common sense people. focus on the mental heath issues and leave the firearms to the responsible EDUCATED citizens.

    • Billie
      March 17, 2013 at 1:34 pm

      You are absolutely right! A few years ago, a tourist called the DA’s office in a panic saying “There’s someone walking down the street carrying a rifle!” The tourist was asked if the person was firing it. The tourist said no. The next comment from the DA’s office was “Welcome to Colorado!” Too bad we can’t say that any more….. The way I look at it is if someone doesn’t like guns, then don’t buy one! But don’t try to stop ME from having one (or more). I would be happy to post a sign on my door saying that we are armed and pointing to the neighbors who are NOT! That way, criminals will know which houses they can break into without any resistance. Only problem is, almost all my neighbors are armed! Guess they need to find another neighborhood…..

  23. Colorado Native Western Slope
    March 17, 2013 at 11:25 am

    I am ashamed that these people were elected and trusted to do what is right for their Constituents. With the protesting from the majority of the constituents, these Legislators seen to think they have a Mandate from Obama to make their majority of citizens into criminals. As a Colorado Native I am appalled that, after watching the live coverage of testimony, the originators of the bills ignored all comments that were not supporting the bill. I nearly vomited. They do not care. They Will NOT Change. We are screwed. I am going to bet that when they are up for election that from the Governor AKA the King of Denver, Hickenlooper down, that they will be appalled that so much money and effort was put into the single fact of getting someone else elected to their office and the abomination’s of laws are repealed. We will Not Tolerate this. I live here, we are up to the 5th Generation, not moving, but I guarantee I will have these jackasses out of office! Colorado is more similar to Wyoming, Montana, Utah and Arizona than to Illinois. I suggest that if these bastards want gun control that they move to Chicago. All of the lame gun control laws are there. They should feel comfortable. But…the Murder rate in Chicago is the worst in the nation, criminals don’t follow gun laws. They need to go HOME..to Chicago and live there, obviously, they are NOT Colorado Natives. Bye, and don’t let the door hit you in the ass when you leave.

    • Alex Garcia
      March 17, 2013 at 1:37 pm

      I am not a Colorado native, but I have lived here for 20 years now. I are settled here, and I care about this state and where it’s headed. I for one will not tolerate this assault on our rights by out of control democrats. I am furious beyond words and I will not forget the buffoons who ignored our pleas to vote against these stupid bills. If Hickenlooper signs any of them into law, I will fully support his immediate recall.

  24. Aaron
    March 17, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    If these bills go into law, good luck getting the SCOTUS to overturn them on the basis of them going against the 2nd Amendment. If it were that simple, it would have been done in CA (and other states) years ago.

  25. Gene Harris
    March 17, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    It is very dangerous for anyone to assume this is just about guns. The overriding issue is freedom, and the continual loss of it to government interference which will become tyranny. As long as we have a growing population with their hand out to the government, buying into the lie that the government is here to protect us, then we as a country are certainly doomed. Every citizen of this country and every state who doesn’t own a gun needs to be just as nervous and concerned by the growing demand that our right to keep and bear arms be given up, because the second amendment will be just the first domino to fall. At the risk of offending some I say to those of you who have the attitude of going “off the grid” and disappearing into the woods, you have already given up. We the people need to stand united and fight or we are done. A famous person made a statement to that effect which I am not going to quote, if interested go and find it on your own and learn some history.

  26. March 17, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    Should Gov. Hickenlooper decide to go with “What’s best with Bloomberg” and being Anti-Constitution…

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    Million Magazine eXchange rally as soon as these laws are effective (week of July 1st).

    Please swing by and express your interest; MMX 2013 is in it’s infancy and will attempt to grow/spread the word!

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  27. Old S&W Shooter
    March 17, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    Just clarify…almost all magazines can be opened to clean them or change a bad worn out spring. That means somebody might add an extension. By this reasoning, all semi-autos MIGHT be converted to FULL Auto MACHINE GUNS. But we don’t ban semi-autos because they MIGHT become machine guns. Those require a special License and fee, and a substantial FBI background investigation, and have serious penalties for violation. That is not what the Legislature did here.

    There is also no instructions on how we citizens PROVE to a deputy that we are grandfathered. What does he do? Take the magazine or the gun while you try to prove a purchase date?

    And about the insane private transfer law: Now you can not remove dangerous firearms from your home and have them watched and locked up at a friend’s home when you go on a vacation. The burglars will have easy pickings, especially at apartment dwellers unlikely to have a gun safe. Plus, safes can all be broken or removed if the burglar has lots of time.

    Guns can be lent to hunters and fisherman, but not hikers, cross country skiers, rafters, ATV riders, birdwatchers, or horseback riders. Guns can be lent to family members, but not same-sex partners.

  28. Woman in Aurora
    March 17, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    I own home-based business in Aurora, my husband works full time. It’s not the greatest neighborhood, but I feel safe here, because I own a gun for self-protection and I know how to use it. My guess is most the people in my neighborhood also own a gun. I certainly hope this is the case.

    Veto the crazy gun bills.

  29. Elaine C
    March 17, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    I agree whole heartdly with you all on the veto of the gun laws. We Need to stick to the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment that says we have the right to bear arms. It doesn’t say we can only bear a certain type of gun.
    These politicians vow to stand by the Constitution when they are sworn into office, yet how many of them have gone against the thing they vowed to stand by. They do not have my respect and I will fight to keep them out of office from now on. That goes for all that voted for the bills. Remember the constitution is to protect us from the tyranny of a bad government. So as they say in Texas, Remember the Alamo, well here in Colorado it will be Remember the Constitution and what it stands for.

  30. CO Pissed
    March 17, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    Does anyone in the CO chamber actually know how many long rifle deaths there were in the US last year? I would bet none of them would get it right. According to the FBI, it was 323 in 2011, a number steadily going down every year, even without an assault rifle ban. Yet over 10,000 Americans die every year by drunk drivers. Why not ban cars? After all, those Chevy’s, Toyota’s, Ford’s, Audi’s etc., seem to be killing people at a rate 30 times that of long rifles! This effort is really about ultimately disarming the American people.

    One very frustrated voter whose voice was not heard.

    FBI homicide statistics
    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

  31. SPQR
    March 17, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    The magazine limit bill and the misnamed “universal background check” bill actually do more than just force Magpul to leave. They will force film and video production companies to stay out of Colorado for fear of criminal prosecution of their firearms special effects and props masters.

  32. Earthsoul
    March 18, 2013 at 10:06 am

    A definite infringement on 2nd Amendment rights. A likely reason that all the democrats in the Colorado legislature will be voted out of office by the conservative majority of the state. Already petitions for recall elections are garnering the signatures necessary to vote them out early.

    Contact the Basic Freedom Defense Fund, who are conducting the petition in Colorado.

    • Earthsoul
      March 18, 2013 at 10:14 am

      Already one petition gained enough signatures and has been filed with the State. The petition to recall Rep. Mike McLachlan has been filed!!!

      Continue signing petitions for the other Representatives to be recalled!!! Contact the Basic Freedom Defense Fund.

  33. rlloyd
    March 19, 2013 at 7:22 am

    Lots of magazines already out there, going to be hard to enforce when transferring or selling. Same with private sales.

  34. busyant
    March 20, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    We in Utah are watching in horror. Know that we stand with you. We also need to get rid of the notion that crime stats will have any sway with politicians…..they have no interest in reducing crime, saving children, et al. All of this effort is about freedom and slavery. Gun grabbers are all about POWER, and WHO SHALL HAVE IT. Don’t waste your breath quoting figures to gun grabbers.
    In the last century, armies and thugocracies sent hundreds of millions to their deaths, regardless of whether or not they had a gun. We wish you every success in getting RID of your Democrats and RINOs.

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